Will Big East stay at 10 or grow to 12 in 2014?

[yorost]

Knowing the tv/ad world NEVER, NEVER rule out what the push may be to get it done---the most $ out there (not that the league wants it) is to have Pittsburgh and Detroit represented; the current schools there are not very good---but tv land does not care ie; DePaul and Chicago is the example, so there will be league push back; but believe me the tv revenue is greater by 30% when you increase the take and divide by 14 (you have to take in U of Detroit and [sit down] Duquesne). May not happen @14 yet getting to 12 asap is a must for tv land---that' s St. Louis and Richmond now. 6 team division split with round robin play in division and each once on the other side. Look at it this way a GU/Vil game on a Monday night will pull in St. Louis tv if SLU is in the league-----as would Detroit tv (which still has a top 10/15 tv coverage Nationwide)---it is about "like schools", bb first attitude; and the tv revenue isn't it. Look for 12 teams for sure with a 16 game schedule.

DePaul got invited to the Big East right around winning CUSA and never having too many consecutive years off from postseason bids over 2-3 decades. Detroit and Duquesne are not going to add value for Fox just because they're in those markets. One has had very little success over the years and the other has had no success in the last 40. I would have to think adding them is more likely to harm the value of the conference than to build it.

[Masterofreality]

UDM gets NO pub in Detroit.

The only sellouts that they have had in Callihan Hall in the last few years, even with McCallum, was when Butler came to town. They only average a couple thousand. Duquesne is no better.

No. They add nothing. It would be like when the A10 added Fordham. No one hardly even knew and all Fordham has done is steal revenue shares from everyone else with zero contribution.

[SpiderFan]

If we had to, we could be ready for next year--even if it was after the June 30th, less money deadline. We have plenty of dough and wouldn't hesitate to pay the exit fee and any entry fee. I assume the new BE takes cash...cha-ching!

[BillEsq]

Knowing the tv/ad world NEVER, NEVER rule out what the push may be to get it done---the most $ out there (not that the league wants it) is to have Pittsburgh and Detroit represented; the current schools there are not very good---but tv land does not care ie; DePaul and Chicago is the example, so there will be league push back; but believe me the tv revenue is greater by 30% when you increase the take and divide by 14 (you have to take in U of Detroit and [sit down] Duquesne). May not happen @14 yet getting to 12 asap is a must for tv land---that' s St. Louis and Richmond now. 6 team division split with round robin play in division and each once on the other side. Look at it this way a GU/Vil game on a Monday night will pull in St. Louis tv if SLU is in the league-----as would Detroit tv (which still has a top 10/15 tv coverage Nationwide)---it is about "like schools", bb first attitude; and the tv revenue isn't it. Look for 12 teams for sure with a 16 game schedule.

DePaul got invited to the Big East right around winning CUSA and never having too many consecutive years off from postseason bids over 2-3 decades. Detroit and Duquesne are not going to add value for Fox just because they're in those markets. One has had very little success over the years and the other has had no success in the last 40. I would have to think adding them is more likely to harm the value of the conference than to build it.

I know DePaul hasn't been good for the past few years... but remember a bad year for DePaul = a good year for Duquesne.... And i don't think Detroit is too much better against even lower quality competition. Even if you thought DePaul was equal to Duquesne and Detroit the Market of Chicago is much better than Detroit and Pitt. So there really is no comparison here. The other thing is everyone needs to get away from the pure media market terminology of the 80's yes its still somewhat important but in the cable age, communication company regions are more important, and these regions don't often fit in to the traditional media market profiles and rarely match up with metropolitan areas. (metro areas are really the worst way as they are rather arbitrarily drawn).

[DeltaV]

We already have a large number of media markets...and Pittsburgh is (assuming they care about basketball) dominated by Pitt, and I would assume Detroit is Big Blue/Sparty country.

We should be concerned with the best product that will appeal to a national audience.

[podcast411]

Here is a nice chart that shows real TV market sizes along with what the TV Ratings watching BB Games are.

http://playertology.com/catholic-7-infographic/

Plus some other interesting facts.

[Throwbackmuskie]

I vote to stay at 10. No need to add others just for the sake of adding others. I like the true round robin.

But IF they do have to go, STL and Richmond are the way to go. Split the conference East/West mainly for Olympic Sports.

[tman]

Market size is Theoretical Eyeballs.

Actual eyeballs is market size x ratings. Ergo:

(1) St. Louis with 126,000 households per game.
(2) Dayton with 105,000 households per game.
(3) Richmond with 56,000 households per game.
(4) Creighton with less than 40,000 households per game.

Xavier fans are going to say everything possible to put Dayton in a bad light--I get that.
I don't blame anyone for trying to make a case for themselves---i get that too.
I think if the idea is to create the best sports conference possible with basketball leading the way I just don't get how one could favor Detroit, the Dukes, richmond or nearly anyone else over Dayton.

http://playertology.com/catholic-7-infographic/

[glen]

Here is a nice chart that shows real TV market sizes along with what the TV Ratings watching BB Games are.

http://playertology.com/catholic-7-infographic/

Plus some other interesting facts.

It's funny how this info skews to Dayton. If its the best inductor, why aren't the Flyers in?

[podcast411]

Here is a nice chart that shows real TV market sizes along with what the TV Ratings watching BB Games are.

http://playertology.com/catholic-7-infographic/

Plus some other interesting facts.

It's funny how this info skews to Dayton. If its the best inductor, why aren't the Flyers in?

From your lips to God's ear. Yeah - I agree Dayton should be in.