Where does Sean Miller rank along current Big East coaches?

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Re: Where does Sean Miller rank along current Big East coach

Postby EMT » Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:18 am

I guess it depends if he's still allowed to cheat.
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Re: Where does Sean Miller rank along current Big East coach

Postby Jet915 » Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:19 am

Miller is a Pitino like hire he has baggage but he will make X a top program again.
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Re: Where does Sean Miller rank along current Big East coach

Postby kayako » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:45 am

Xuperman wrote:Relies too much on resume? How else can you rank a group of coaches? Degree of style in their wardrobe?

But seriously, Miller is only #2 based on past results, and if he continues to duplicate that type of elite success he stays there.


I agree that Miller is easily #2 if the next 10 years go similarly to the past 10. But strictly adhering to resume doesn't tell us who is actually the best coach right now, imo. McDermott and Cooley were by all accounts first candidates for OSU and Michigan jobs respectively several years ago, and their stock is much higher today.
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Re: Where does Sean Miller rank along current Big East coach

Postby ArmyVet » Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:04 pm

kayako wrote:
Xuperman wrote:Relies too much on resume? How else can you rank a group of coaches? Degree of style in their wardrobe?

But seriously, Miller is only #2 based on past results, and if he continues to duplicate that type of elite success he stays there.


I agree that Miller is easily #2 if the next 10 years go similarly to the past 10. But strictly adhering to resume doesn't tell us who is actually the best coach right now, imo. McDermott and Cooley were by all accounts first candidates for OSU and Michigan jobs respectively several years ago, and their stock is much higher today.

Good point. I had actually forgotten that. McDermott and Cooley are studs and I enjoy watching them coach. They both seem like teachers and that has always struck me as the highest compliment you can give a coach.
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Re: Where does Sean Miller rank along current Big East coach

Postby MackNova » Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:39 pm

1. Wright
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2. Miller
3. McDermott
4. Cooley
5. Hurley
6. Shaka
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7. Anderson
8. Stubblefield
9. Holloway
10. Jordan
11. Ewing

Hard to order McDermott-Cooley-Hurley. Could easily flip those.

I think Miller is #2. I don't really think there is an argument otherwise.

Might be unfair to put Anderson in the last tier instead of the 2nd tier.
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Re: Where does Sean Miller rank along current Big East coach

Postby Xudash » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:08 pm

MackNova wrote:1. Wright
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2. Miller
3. McDermott
4. Cooley
5. Hurley
6. Shaka
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7. Anderson
8. Stubblefield
9. Holloway
10. Jordan
11. Ewing

Hard to order McDermott-Cooley-Hurley. Could easily flip those.

I think Miller is #2. I don't really think there is an argument otherwise.

Might be unfair to put Anderson in the last tier instead of the 2nd tier.


I agree with your assessment.

Xavier Nation is certainly excited about Sean's return, but just looking at that list makes me excited for the Big East moving forward.
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Re: Where does Sean Miller rank along current Big East coach

Postby ArmyVet » Tue Mar 22, 2022 3:01 pm

If I am starting a Big East team today and needed to pick a coach from a current team, Miller would not be high on the list yet. That's not a slam on him or XU, but there are multiple high level coaches who have had success in the Big East. At this point, Miller has not. He might get XU in the NCAA Tournament next year and XU might be a league power eventually, but I think it's premature to try and place him above guys like McDermott, Cooley, or even Hurley until he shows us that he can coach and be successful with a Big East team. Coaching in the A10 or PAC12 is different than the Big East or so it seems to me.

And while I am not a conspiracy guy, there are people who are skeptical that he will have the same level of national success that he had Arizona without having the same recruiting "resources" that he had there.
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Re: Where does Sean Miller rank along current Big East coach

Postby stever20 » Tue Mar 22, 2022 3:04 pm

ArmyVet wrote:If I am starting a Big East team today and needed to pick a coach from a current team, Miller would not be high on the list yet. That's not a slam on him or XU, but there are multiple high level coaches who have had success in the Big East. At this point, Miller has not. He might get XU in the NCAA Tournament next year and XU might be a league power eventually, but I think it's premature to try and place him above guys like McDermott, Cooley, or even Hurley until he shows us that he can coach and be successful with a Big East team. Coaching in the A10 or PAC12 is different than the Big East or so it seems to me.

And while I am not a conspiracy guy, there are people who are skeptical that he will have the same level of national success that he had Arizona without having the same recruiting "resources" that he had there.

3 letters to your last point. NIL. What he did before is now legal.
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Re: Where does Sean Miller rank along current Big East coach

Postby LMS » Tue Mar 22, 2022 3:06 pm

Miller’s last three teams at Arizona finished:

17-15 - 8th
21-11 - 5th
17-9 - 5th

And then he was fired amid recruiting allegations for which he will probably face a suspension at XU. Yeah, I think that I’ll pick any number of guys before Miller.
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Re: Where does Sean Miller rank along current Big East coach

Postby ArmyVet » Tue Mar 22, 2022 3:09 pm

stever20 wrote:
ArmyVet wrote:If I am starting a Big East team today and needed to pick a coach from a current team, Miller would not be high on the list yet. That's not a slam on him or XU, but there are multiple high level coaches who have had success in the Big East. At this point, Miller has not. He might get XU in the NCAA Tournament next year and XU might be a league power eventually, but I think it's premature to try and place him above guys like McDermott, Cooley, or even Hurley until he shows us that he can coach and be successful with a Big East team. Coaching in the A10 or PAC12 is different than the Big East or so it seems to me.

And while I am not a conspiracy guy, there are people who are skeptical that he will have the same level of national success that he had Arizona without having the same recruiting "resources" that he had there.

3 letters to your last point. NIL. What he did before is now legal.

While that may be true, it doesn't change the fact that he was voluntarily breaking rules.
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