Food, drinks, and more discussion

[Hall2012]

so I looked at the BBQ power ratings....
https://www.lawnstarter.com/blog/studie ... bq-cities/

so looking at possible expansion cities:
1 Kansas City
5 Memphis
6 Louisville
7 St Louis
9 Minneapolis
12 Richmond

Big East currently has
2 Chicago
4 Cincinnati
8 New York
11 Washington DC
15 Omaha

St Louis BBQ is terrible. I tried their top 2 spots. The brisket tastes like it's corned beef cooked in a crock pot and the ribs... just no. Have had better BBQ in Phoenix, and Milwaukee

LOL that's just a poor take and pretty much confirms the St. Louis hate boner.

[MUBoxer]

so I looked at the BBQ power ratings....
https://www.lawnstarter.com/blog/studie ... bq-cities/

so looking at possible expansion cities:
1 Kansas City
5 Memphis
6 Louisville
7 St Louis
9 Minneapolis
12 Richmond

Big East currently has
2 Chicago
4 Cincinnati
8 New York
11 Washington DC
15 Omaha

St Louis BBQ is terrible. I tried their top 2 spots. The brisket tastes like it's corned beef cooked in a crock pot and the ribs... just no. Have had better BBQ in Phoenix, and Milwaukee

LOL that's just a poor take and pretty much confirms the St. Louis hate boner.

As I said I hate wasting time & money. BBQ's expensive. Bogarts was absolute trash, so bad I didn't finish it and went across the street to Mission Taco and had a wonderful cocktail and 4 unique delicious tacos (that's the aforementioned unnamed taco spot). Pappys was decent but for an hour and a half wait? I've had wayyy better and cheaper.

Have you been to St. Louis or are you just going off St Louis style you've tried? Perhaps just national recognition?

Because Little Miss in Phoenix and Heavens Table in Milwaukee are both head and shoulders better than either of those St Louis spots.

[GoldenWarrior11]

Any expansion candidate needs to have blue in their colors and/or uniform. Any school that doesn't have blue should be eliminated from consideration since it wouldn't be an institutional fit.

[Django]

Any expansion candidate needs to have blue in their colors and/or uniform. Any school that doesn't have blue should be eliminated from consideration since it wouldn't be an institutional fit.

^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^

I’m all for kicking out the Johnnies and changing to the “Big Black & Blue” conf. so we don’t have any geographical name issues when we replace them with the Zags... sorry redmen, we love you but you should have kept the little mascot but just changed to the Bluemen... you really messed that one up.

[Hall2012]

St Louis BBQ is terrible. I tried their top 2 spots. The brisket tastes like it's corned beef cooked in a crock pot and the ribs... just no. Have had better BBQ in Phoenix, and Milwaukee

LOL that's just a poor take and pretty much confirms the St. Louis hate boner.

As I said I hate wasting time & money. BBQ's expensive. Bogarts was absolute trash, so bad I didn't finish it and went across the street to Mission Taco and had a wonderful cocktail and 4 unique delicious tacos (that's the aforementioned unnamed taco spot). Pappys was decent but for an hour and a half wait? I've had wayyy better and cheaper.

Have you been to St. Louis or are you just going off St Louis style you've tried? Perhaps just national recognition?

Because Little Miss in Phoenix and Heavens Table in Milwaukee are both head and shoulders better than either of those St Louis spots.

I've spent plenty of time St. Louis. I wouldn't say it has its own style of bbq (St. Louis ribs are just a cut, I guess pork steaks are pretty St. Louis specific though), but they have plenty of good joints that usually offer up KC or Memphis style food. Haven't been to Bogarts (agree Mission Taco is excellent) but I've had nothing but great experiences with Pappy's. No need to wait an hour and a half, the move is place a to go order and walk next door to Center Ice Brewery. It's by no means the best brewery in St. Louis, but you can sit down and have beer while someone from Pappy's delivers your food before you'd even be seated at their place. Center Ice doesn't serve food so they' have no problem with people ordering in. Southern Fried Chicken, which shares a building with Pappy's, is also worth trying. For a lesser known bbq joint, I'd also recommend The Shaved Duck.

Overall, while it doesn't have the bustling downtown of other majors cities, my experiences seem to have been the polar opposite of yours. I think it has very good food (though the pizza sucks), plenty of excellent breweries (of which you did name, IMO, the top 2), and I haven't felt a shortage of things to do. Forest Park is beautiful (and enormous), the zoo is both free and one of the highest rated in the coutry, there's nice trails all over the region, I could be wrong but I think a lot of the museums are free too. I've been to Cardinals, Blues and SLU basketball (vs Seton Hall) games and have had a blast at all of them. The biggest downside to me (other than the pizza) is that it's very spread out so it's inconvenient to get around without a car.

So I don't really know where you bad experiences came from, I just thought you seemed pretty eager to crap on what I'd say is a solid city (metro area).

[Hall2012]

Any expansion candidate needs to have blue in their colors and/or uniform. Any school that doesn't have blue should be eliminated from consideration since it wouldn't be an institutional fit.

^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^

I’m all for kicking out the Johnnies and changing to the “Big Black & Blue” conf. so we don’t have any geographical name issues when we replace them with the Zags... sorry redmen, we love you but you should have kept the little mascot but just changed to the Bluemen... you really messed that one up.

The Johnnies changed their accent color back from black to blue, so they're good. The only issue is Providence...that's just really really really dark navy, right?

[Django]

Any expansion candidate needs to have blue in their colors and/or uniform. Any school that doesn't have blue should be eliminated from consideration since it wouldn't be an institutional fit.

^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^

I’m all for kicking out the Johnnies and changing to the “Big Black & Blue” conf. so we don’t have any geographical name issues when we replace them with the Zags... sorry redmen, we love you but you should have kept the little mascot but just changed to the Bluemen... you really messed that one up.

The Johnnies changed their accent color back from black to blue, so they're good. The only issue is Providence...that's just really really really dark navy, right?

Black is good, X, Butler and DePaul all have color envy of PC... it’s got a slimming quality, hence the only reason the Fríars can keep Cooley in Providence

Add yellow and I’ll barf on you tho

[butlerguy03]

Black is good, X, Butler and DePaul all have color envy of PC

Anecdotally, the reason Butler wears black goes back to its mid-major days when the jersey supplier didn't make the deep, dark blue that Butler wanted. So the closest was black...which they started wearing and it happened to be when Butler started becoming a more recognizable brand nationwide. It stuck, and is probably here forever.

[stever20]

Black is good, X, Butler and DePaul all have color envy of PC

Anecdotally, the reason Butler wears black goes back to its mid-major days when the jersey supplier didn't make the deep, dark blue that Butler wanted. So the closest was black...which they started wearing and it happened to be when Butler started becoming a more recognizable brand nationwide. It stuck, and is probably here forever.

yeah, after you make a title game with one color, even if that's not your normal color, you're kind of stuck.

[MUBoxer]

I've spent plenty of time St. Louis. I wouldn't say it has its own style of bbq (St. Louis ribs are just a cut, I guess pork steaks are pretty St. Louis specific though), but they have plenty of good joints that usually offer up KC or Memphis style food. Haven't been to Bogarts (agree Mission Taco is excellent) but I've had nothing but great experiences with Pappy's. No need to wait an hour and a half, the move is place a to go order and walk next door to Center Ice Brewery. It's by no means the best brewery in St. Louis, but you can sit down and have beer while someone from Pappy's delivers your food before you'd even be seated at their place. Center Ice doesn't serve food so they' have no problem with people ordering in. Southern Fried Chicken, which shares a building with Pappy's, is also worth trying. For a lesser known bbq joint, I'd also recommend The Shaved Duck.

Overall, while it doesn't have the bustling downtown of other majors cities, my experiences seem to have been the polar opposite of yours. I think it has very good food (though the pizza sucks), plenty of excellent breweries (of which you did name, IMO, the top 2), and I haven't felt a shortage of things to do. Forest Park is beautiful (and enormous), the zoo is both free and one of the highest rated in the coutry, there's nice trails all over the region, I could be wrong but I think a lot of the museums are free too. I've been to Cardinals, Blues and SLU basketball (vs Seton Hall) games and have had a blast at all of them. The biggest downside to me (other than the pizza) is that it's very spread out so it's inconvenient to get around without a car.

So I don't really know where you bad experiences came from, I just thought you seemed pretty eager to crap on what I'd say is a solid city (metro area).

How old is that brewery? Going to a brewery to wait for food seems like something I would normally do, either it wasn't on my apps or I'm an idiot and wouldn't be as salty about waiting in a parking lot for ages. I'll give it a go and do that move next time I inevitably end up down there.

At least we can agree St Louis style pizza is an abomination and Mission Taco was great.

Admittedly I went to FP on a really crappy weather day and have not returned in my other visits which were more bar/brewery/food/sport focused.

I do agree about the sprawl issue, and urban sprawl is one of biggest gripes with more modern cities (PHX, LA, Houston) so that adds to why I don't like it.

In the end it's definitely coming off as I genuinely hate the city because it's a message board and I wanted to make a rant, I don't think highly of it but I don't "hate it" like I do some other cities. But the rant started with me saying it's not like the other major cities in the BE and I do stand by that.