Big East Awards

[Vill]

It’s a good thing they used win % instead of pro sports “games back” stratification. In that case, Villanova would have been 0.5GB of Creighton.

[Hall2012]

Yeah, it is what it is. Nova won and deservedly so. You think it's not fair? Go win the BET then, that determines the real champ anyway.

[jfan]

Nova won, it's that simple. The number of games played was based on circumstances. We had our chances but stumbled too many times.

[Husky_U]

Yeah, it is what it is. Nova won and deservedly so. You think it's not fair? Go win the BET then, that determines the real champ anyway.

This x 1,000,000.

[redmen9194]

Yeah, it is what it is. Nova won and deservedly so. You think it's not fair? Go win the BET then, that determines the real champ anyway.

This x 1,000,000.

Husky U - this has been a long debate here. That is - is it better to win the conference tournament or regular season. I, and many of the originalist here believe you are not the Big East Champion unless someone hands you the trophy on a Saturday night in March at the corner of 34th Street and 7th Avenue in New York. The western front for the most part would rather win the regular season. My suspicion is after any one of them wins a Big East Tournament, their minds will change.

[XUFan09]

Yeah, it is what it is. Nova won and deservedly so. You think it's not fair? Go win the BET then, that determines the real champ anyway.

This x 1,000,000.

Husky U - this has been a long debate here. That is - is it better to win the conference tournament or regular season. I, and many of the originalist here believe you are not the Big East Champion unless someone hands you the trophy on a Saturday night in March at the corner of 34th Street and 7th Avenue in New York. The western front for the most part would rather win the regular season. My suspicion is after any one of them wins a Big East Tournament, their minds will change.

No one says the BET isn't the real championship. It's a question of value in a vaccum for many. For example, if X goes on to win the BET this year, they are still going to be seeded much worse in the big tournament than Nova, even with Nova likely to see a seeding hit without Gillespie. Now, if we are talking Creighton winning the BET after finishing second, the relative seeding doesn't matter as much.

[eye of the jay]

Look, I'm not being a sour loser here, but I don't know how you can say that Nova was the clear-cut Big East champ and clearly superior to Creighton. The same discussion is happening in the Big Ten with Illinois and Michigan as far as co-champs go. The Jays had 1/2 game up in the standings while the Wildcats lead by .03333 in Win Percentage. The series was split, and the Wildcats had 8 Home games and 7 Away games. The 2 road tilts with Xavier and UConn, Nova would be an underdog, and I know they had 2 Depaul games, but those aren't necessarily gimmes seeing how UConn and Creighton struggled there and St. John's lost.

Given the way Nova played on the road, you would say the most likely outcome of those 5 games would be 3-2 tying them with the Jays. Just like the Jays were co-champs with Hall and Nova last year based on their 3-1 record against the other 2, I would say that Nova is 1a and Creighton 1b all things considered. But, Nova is always going to get the benefit of the doubt given their last decade performance and dominance in the BE.

Before games were played the league decided that the regular season crown would be decided by winning %. Nova didn’t get a “benefit of the doubt,” as you describe. They won the league based on the criteria established and agreed upon. So all your would’ve-could’ve-should’ve mean absolutely nothing. We had the best winning % in the league without playing the worst team even once. Definitely would have lost them all and probably finished in 3rd I’m guessing.

Damn Nova conspiracy!!! Maybe take out that first part of your first sentence to be more accurate. How dare we not force both DePaul and X play when they were on pause.

Nova is the clear cut champ because that's what the standings say which is the only thing that matters. Did they not play DePaul - sure. But they played the schedule they were given and had the best record / winning percentage at the end of the season. You are what your record says you are.

Trust me, I'm not losing sleep over that and Creighton fans have much bigger things to worry about right now. I'm just saying that just because someone in a position of authority says that this is how things are done and this is what we decide doesn't mean it's necessarily right or fair. Look at the BCS system or the CFB playoff as an example. After winning the BE last season, I think Jays fans can agree that the priority for this season doesn't really deal with regular season title, and the Jays had countless opportunities to cash in and win it based on WP. Now, the ranked priorities for the team are (basketball-related at least):

#1) Make the Sweet 16
#2) Win the Big East Tournament

[Hall2012]

Out of curiosity since I didn't see the game, did Nova drop a banner last week?

[Trifecta]

Yeah, it is what it is. Nova won and deservedly so. You think it's not fair? Go win the BET then, that determines the real champ anyway.

This x 1,000,000.

Husky U - this has been a long debate here. That is - is it better to win the conference tournament or regular season. I, and many of the originalist here believe you are not the Big East Champion unless someone hands you the trophy on a Saturday night in March at the corner of 34th Street and 7th Avenue in New York. The western front for the most part would rather win the regular season. My suspicion is after any one of them wins a Big East Tournament, their minds will change.

Nope, still won't change my mind Regular Season will always be more important to me. And I know, I know... the new additions with our farm-addled midwestern brains don't understand the quaint traditions of the Big East like placing a tournament title win in Power 6 conference over a regular-season title or having 6 players on the All-Big East 1st Team.

When Creighton was in the MVC, we won that tournament so often for a time that Arch Madness was coined as the "Creighton Invitational." Even then, while ecstatic that we got an auto-bid, I would still be upset when we couldn't win the regular-season title. It just seems so low-major-ish to me to place such a huge emphasis on the tournament. If it wasn't for the fact that they are sources for more revenue, I'd guess a lot of low- and mid-major conferences would rather award their auto-bids to the regular-season champion so as to have the best opportunity for their teams to advance.

I guess it made sense to value that title in MSG when the bloated old Big East has no fewer than 42 teams playing unbalanced schedules. But in a high-major league playing a true round-robin schedule, I think the regular season champ is of more value. Especially considering that more often than not, winning the regular season means you are in a better position for a higher seed in the tournament that matters.

[redmen9194]

The Big East Conference was made at Madison Square Garden. No need to reference the MVC - it’s like comparing apples to anything not as good as an apple.