Big East Awards

[redmen9194]

Co-Defensive Players of the Year: Alexander (SJU); Whaley (UConn)
Co-Most Improved Players: Champangie (SJU); Freemantle (Xavier)
Sixth Man: Polley (UConn)
Sportsmanship: Ballock (Creighton)

[Savannah Jay]

Bouknight should win POY. Not only does he lead the conference in scoring but:

They were 7-2 with him playing (one of those losses was an OT game vs CU)
They were 4-4 when he was injured

They finished in the top 3. Who knows what their season might have looked like had he played all season. No player had a bigger impact for their teams success. How could he not get it?

Gillespie should win POY. They were 11-3 with him playing (one of those games vs Bouknight and UConn). They were 0-1 with him injured. They finished 1st and were top 10 in the country most of the year. No player had a bigger impact for his team’s success (which actually led to a conference championship banner).

BTW, with JB in the lineup UConn was also 0-2 vs the 2 other tourney teams in the league. So there’s that.

I have zero issue if either of the Nova guys win it. If we're playing the "who played against who" game, though, Zegarowski didn't play in the game we lost at Butler, which turned out to be the diff between winning the conf and getting second.

[GumbyDamnit!]

Bouknight should win POY. Not only does he lead the conference in scoring but:

They were 7-2 with him playing (one of those losses was an OT game vs CU)
They were 4-4 when he was injured

They finished in the top 3. Who knows what their season might have looked like had he played all season. No player had a bigger impact for their teams success. How could he not get it?

Gillespie should win POY. They were 11-3 with him playing (one of those games vs Bouknight and UConn). They were 0-1 with him injured. They finished 1st and were top 10 in the country most of the year. No player had a bigger impact for his team’s success (which actually led to a conference championship banner).

BTW, with JB in the lineup UConn was also 0-2 vs the 2 other tourney teams in the league. So there’s that.

I have zero issue if either of the Nova guys win it. If we're playing the "who played against who" game, though, Zegarowski didn't play in the game we lost at Butler, which turned out to be the diff between winning the conf and getting second.

I wouldn't have a problem with Z winning it. But your argument breaks down using this same logic. When you consider that Gillespie missed the final game @ Providence in which we lost, I'm not sure you can play the "we would have won the league if not for our star PG missing a game," card.

[Husky_U]

Bouknight should win POY. Not only does he lead the conference in scoring but:

They were 7-2 with him playing (one of those losses was an OT game vs CU)
They were 4-4 when he was injured

They finished in the top 3. Who knows what their season might have looked like had he played all season. No player had a bigger impact for their teams success. How could he not get it?

Gillespie should win POY. They were 11-3 with him playing (one of those games vs Bouknight and UConn). They were 0-1 with him injured. They finished 1st and were top 10 in the country most of the year. No player had a bigger impact for his team’s success (which actually led to a conference championship banner).

BTW, with JB in the lineup UConn was also 0-2 vs the 2 other tourney teams in the league. So there’s that.

I have no problem with Bouk not winning POY. He missed 8 BE games, nearly half of the BE season. But it's also because how many games Bouk missed and how well UCONN performed that I think Hurley deserves COY over the likes of Wright.

[eye of the jay]

Look, I'm not being a sour loser here, but I don't know how you can say that Nova was the clear-cut Big East champ and clearly superior to Creighton. The same discussion is happening in the Big Ten with Illinois and Michigan as far as co-champs go. The Jays had 1/2 game up in the standings while the Wildcats lead by .03333 in Win Percentage. The series was split, and the Wildcats had 8 Home games and 7 Away games. The 2 road tilts with Xavier and UConn, Nova would be an underdog, and I know they had 2 Depaul games, but those aren't necessarily gimmes seeing how UConn and Creighton struggled there and St. John's lost.

Given the way Nova played on the road, you would say the most likely outcome of those 5 games would be 3-2 tying them with the Jays. Just like the Jays were co-champs with Hall and Nova last year based on their 3-1 record against the other 2, I would say that Nova is 1a and Creighton 1b all things considered. But, Nova is always going to get the benefit of the doubt given their last decade performance and dominance in the BE.

[Savannah Jay]

Gillespie should win POY. They were 11-3 with him playing (one of those games vs Bouknight and UConn). They were 0-1 with him injured. They finished 1st and were top 10 in the country most of the year. No player had a bigger impact for his team’s success (which actually led to a conference championship banner).

BTW, with JB in the lineup UConn was also 0-2 vs the 2 other tourney teams in the league. So there’s that.

I have zero issue if either of the Nova guys win it. If we're playing the "who played against who" game, though, Zegarowski didn't play in the game we lost at Butler, which turned out to be the diff between winning the conf and getting second.

I wouldn't have a problem with Z winning it. But your argument breaks down using this same logic. When you consider that Gillespie missed the final game @ Providence in which we lost, I'm not sure you can play the "we would have won the league if not for our star PG missing a game," card.

Not my argument, Gumby, only responding to your post that Nova was 0-1 without CG. I should have just said "we lost at Butler in OT without MZ" or "we were 0-1 without MZ."

[redmen9194]

In terms of player of the year, it’s probably going to Gillespie. Champangie had overall better numbers but the 4th place finish will hurt him. Bouknight is the best player in the league, but the limited games will be a problem. Manu should not get a sniff. His numbers are worse that Champangie and Hall finished 5th. I think FOY will be Posh especially after getting co-DPY. COY Should be Anderson. SJU beat everyone except Creighton. SJU finished 4th instead of 9th. Hurley’s record against teams 1,2 and 4 is 0-5. If you throw Hall in it’s 1-6. If you go one more to Providence it’s 2-7. Yes they were a different team without Bouk but that’s why it’s a coaching award.

[Hall2012]

Anderson should run away with COY, I don't really see an argument for anyone else.

[GumbyDamnit!]

Look, I'm not being a sour loser here, but I don't know how you can say that Nova was the clear-cut Big East champ and clearly superior to Creighton. The same discussion is happening in the Big Ten with Illinois and Michigan as far as co-champs go. The Jays had 1/2 game up in the standings while the Wildcats lead by .03333 in Win Percentage. The series was split, and the Wildcats had 8 Home games and 7 Away games. The 2 road tilts with Xavier and UConn, Nova would be an underdog, and I know they had 2 Depaul games, but those aren't necessarily gimmes seeing how UConn and Creighton struggled there and St. John's lost.

Given the way Nova played on the road, you would say the most likely outcome of those 5 games would be 3-2 tying them with the Jays. Just like the Jays were co-champs with Hall and Nova last year based on their 3-1 record against the other 2, I would say that Nova is 1a and Creighton 1b all things considered. But, Nova is always going to get the benefit of the doubt given their last decade performance and dominance in the BE.

Before games were played the league decided that the regular season crown would be decided by winning %. Nova didn’t get a “benefit of the doubt,” as you describe. They won the league based on the criteria established and agreed upon. So all your would’ve-could’ve-should’ve mean absolutely nothing. We had the best winning % in the league without playing the worst team even once. Definitely would have lost them all and probably finished in 3rd I’m guessing.

Damn Nova conspiracy!!! Maybe take out that first part of your first sentence to be more accurate. How dare we not force both DePaul and X play when they were on pause.

[redmen9194]

Look, I'm not being a sour loser here, but I don't know how you can say that Nova was the clear-cut Big East champ and clearly superior to Creighton. The same discussion is happening in the Big Ten with Illinois and Michigan as far as co-champs go. The Jays had 1/2 game up in the standings while the Wildcats lead by .03333 in Win Percentage. The series was split, and the Wildcats had 8 Home games and 7 Away games. The 2 road tilts with Xavier and UConn, Nova would be an underdog, and I know they had 2 Depaul games, but those aren't necessarily gimmes seeing how UConn and Creighton struggled there and St. John's lost.

Given the way Nova played on the road, you would say the most likely outcome of those 5 games would be 3-2 tying them with the Jays. Just like the Jays were co-champs with Hall and Nova last year based on their 3-1 record against the other 2, I would say that Nova is 1a and Creighton 1b all things considered. But, Nova is always going to get the benefit of the doubt given their last decade performance and dominance in the BE.

Before games were played the league decided that the regular season crown would be decided by winning %. Nova didn’t get a “benefit of the doubt,” as you describe. They won the league based on the criteria established and agreed upon. So all your would’ve-could’ve-should’ve mean absolutely nothing. We had the best winning % in the league without playing the worst team even once. Definitely would have lost them all and probably finished in 3rd I’m guessing.

Damn Nova conspiracy!!! Maybe take out that first part of your first sentence to be more accurate. How dare we not force both DePaul and X play when they were on pause.

Nova is the clear cut champ because that's what the standings say which is the only thing that matters. Did they not play DePaul - sure. But they played the schedule they were given and had the best record / winning percentage at the end of the season. You are what your record says you are.