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Re: 2021 Rankings

Postby Fieldhouse Flyer » Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:59 pm

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Kudos to Django for finding and posting the syracuse.com link in Post #1. I had not previously seen an AP Poll listing in which explicit ranking numbers were assigned to teams ranked #26 through #41. I’m reposting last Monday’s seven subjective tiers (for easy comparison), followed by the similar tiers created by observing gaps in the total points received by teams in the AP Poll published this morning.

New AP men’s Top 25 basketball poll: Some new names surface during an interesting week - Donna Ditota, syracuse.com - December 14, 2020
Donna Ditota wrote: ”I’m among the AP men’s basketball poll voters. Scroll below to see the ballot I submitted Sunday night and my rationale for choosing those teams:”

1) Gonzaga 1541 points (54 First place votes)
2) Baylor 1491 (7 First place votes)
3) Iowa 1427 (1 First place vote)

4) Michigan State 1307
5) Kansas 1289
6) Houston 1169
7) Villanova 1163
8) West Virginia 1113
9) Creighton 1037

10) Tennessee 941
11) Texas 873
12) Wisconsin 846
13) Illinois 742
14) Texas Tech 669
15) Florida State 619

16) Missouri 491
17) Virginia 456
18) San Diego State 455
19) Rutgers 396
20) Ohio State 392
21) Duke 345
22) North Carolina 328

23) Louisville 164
24) Clemson 156
25) Michigan 142
26) Richmond 140
27) Saint Louis 121
28) Virginia Tech 115

29) Xavier 55
30) Oklahoma State 48
31) Oregon 31

32) Indiana 22
33) Florida 18
34) Arizona State 13
35) UCLA 9
36) Connecticut 7
37) Arizona 5
38) Syracuse 4
38) Georgia 4
38) Arkansas 4
41) SMU 1
41) Minnesota 1

Plenty of teams are on my radar: They include Xavier (26th, my last team out), UCLA, Louisville, Michigan, St. Louis, and Arkansas.

Latest AP men’s basketball Top 25: Rutgers soars, ACC has no Top 10 teams - Donna Ditota, syracuse.com - December 21, 2020
1) Gonzaga 1597 (61 First place votes)
2) Baylor 1538 (3 First place votes)
3) Kansas 1426
4) Iowa 1365
5) Villanova 1304
6) Houston 1272
7) West Virginia 1225
8) Tennessee 1109
9) Wisconsin 1051
10) Texas 1035

11) Rutgers 878
12) Michigan State 839
13) Creighton 773
14) Missouri 768

15) Texas Tech 661

16) Virginia 510
17) North Carolina 492
18) Illinois 468

19) Michigan 367
20) Duke 352
21) Florida State 335
22) Xavier 249
23) Ohio State 245

24) Virginia Tech 181
25) Oregon 167
26) San Diego State 146
27) Richmond 142

28) Saint Louis 64
29) Arkansas 54
30) Indiana 53

31) Clemson 28
32) Florida 20
33) Georgia 19
34) Colorado 13
35) Brigham Young 9
35) Purdue 9
37) Louisville 8
38) Northwestern 7
39) UCF 6
40) Minnesota 4
41) UCLA 3
41) Oklahoma State 3
43) LSU 2
43) Western Kentucky 2
45) SMU 1
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Freshman Jalen Suggs leads top-ranked Gonzaga over No. 3 Iowa 99-88 – AP/ESPN - December 19, 2020

Mark Few, Head Coach – Gonzaga University

Wikipedia articles: Mark FewGonzaga Bulldogs BasketballGonzaga UniversitySpokane, Washington

Mark Few is fine outside the spotlight - Myron Medcalf, ESPN - February 17, 2015

To know Gonzaga's Mark Few is to know 'Fewy' - Josh Peter, USA Today - March 30, 2017

Why nobody - not even the Knicks - can convince Mark Few to leave Gonzaga - Wilson Criscione, Spokane Inlander - March 12, 2020
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Re: 2021 Rankings

Postby Novachap » Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:43 pm

Welcome Back X!

AP / Coaches

Nova 5 / 3
Creighton 13/ 13
Xavier 22 / 22

UCONN RV in Coaches poll
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Re: 2021 Rankings

Postby Django » Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:02 pm

Two ranked BE teams going at it on Wednesday in the CHI CHI with limited fan attendance! Pleases please no interruptions for this epic rivalry game, it will be a great one!
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Re: 2021 Rankings

Postby Xuperman » Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:16 am

I will drag this post over here.

gtmoBlue wrote:My guys, THE Xavier Muskies...are 8-0! Wow.
You really took my preseason predictions of 5th to heart. Luv ya, Muskies.
Roll Damn Xuperduper, DudeAnon, & the XU minions, ROLL!

Welcome back to reality fellas, all good things must come to an end. Those
millions of S&H Green Stamps won't cut it in Omaha. We buy our grits at Baker's Supermarkets, Inc.

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However,
S&H started to go downhill in the 1970s and was eventually purchased by a holding company
which since 2000 has been offering "greenpoints.'' You can redeem your old green stamps one-to-one for greenpoints,
which can be used to get a gift card or gift certificate.

You can get the details at greenpoints.com.

S&H Green Stamps are no longer valid and we are no longer accepting them. They have no value.

Effective October 4, 2020, we are also no longer accepting or redeeming S&H greenpoints here.


OOPS! Guess you're SOL!


Green Stamps were a joke in Ohio....TOP VALUE MAN!...TOP VALUE! We gave them out at my family's SUNOCO station back in th 70's. I cashed in a ton of books for a lot of awesome sporting stuff.


Can X roll into Omaha and get a W? In other words, can Augustus McCray deal with a surly bartender?
Oh yes, we got something going.

BTW, I guess Covid has to be the reason for these wacky game times. Does anyone have any idea why?
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Re: 2021 Rankings

Postby thebigeXpress » Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:07 am

Novachap wrote:Welcome Back X!

AP / Coaches

Nova 5 / 3
Creighton 13/ 13
Xavier 22 / 22

UCONN RV in Coaches poll


:)
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Re: 2021 Rankings

Postby Xer4ever » Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:08 pm

Xuperman wrote:I will drag this post over here.

gtmoBlue wrote:My guys, THE Xavier Muskies...are 8-0! Wow.
You really took my preseason predictions of 5th to heart. Luv ya, Muskies.
Roll Damn Xuperduper, DudeAnon, & the XU minions, ROLL!

Welcome back to reality fellas, all good things must come to an end. Those
millions of S&H Green Stamps won't cut it in Omaha. We buy our grits at Baker's Supermarkets, Inc.

Image
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%26H_Green_Stamps

However,
S&H started to go downhill in the 1970s and was eventually purchased by a holding company
which since 2000 has been offering "greenpoints.'' You can redeem your old green stamps one-to-one for greenpoints,
which can be used to get a gift card or gift certificate.

You can get the details at greenpoints.com.

S&H Green Stamps are no longer valid and we are no longer accepting them. They have no value.

Effective October 4, 2020, we are also no longer accepting or redeeming S&H greenpoints here.


OOPS! Guess you're SOL!


Green Stamps were a joke in Ohio....TOP VALUE MAN!...TOP VALUE! We gave them out at my family's SUNOCO station back in th 70's. I cashed in a ton of books for a lot of awesome sporting stuff.


Can X roll into Omaha and get a W? In other words, can Augustus McCray deal with a surly bartender?
Oh yes, we got something going.

BTW, I guess Covid has to be the reason for these wacky game times. Does anyone have any idea why?


Fun post! As for the game times, it’s always 3 reasons: tv, tv, tv.
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Re: 2021 Rankings

Postby Django » Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:53 am

Big East #1 NET Conference Ranking! Everyone top 100! Creighton #1 (11 NET) and welcome back DePaul! Undefeated in OOC for second year in a row, but our lowest ranked team at 86 NET. Also welcome back UCONN, an excellent addition this year, how does it feel to have FIVE conference home games and every road game except Wintrust a potential QUADRANT 1 Win?!?
http://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2 ... ferencenet
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Re: 2021 Rankings

Postby Wizard of Westroads » Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:38 am

Django wrote:Big East #1 NET Conference Ranking! Everyone top 100! Creighton #1 (11 NET) and welcome back DePaul! Undefeated in OOC for second year in a row, but our lowest ranked team at 86 NET. Also welcome back UCONN, an excellent addition this year, how does it feel to have FIVE conference home games and every road game except Wintrust a potential QUADRANT 1 Win?!?
http://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2 ... ferencenet

Hate to burst your bubble, but I'm pretty sure those are last year's conference NET rankings. If you click on NET on WarrenNolan, he has current records with last year's NET. Butler is 19 with a 2-3 record. This year's NETs haven't started yet.
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Re: 2021 Rankings

Postby Fieldhouse Flyer » Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:34 am

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The NCAA has not yet published their first iteration of the NET Rankings for the 2020-21 season, nor have they announced a release date for the first iteration of the 2020-21 NET Rankings, as I explained in a post which I later deleted, as it appeared to be objectionable to some posters. It was not my intention to cause offense, so I deleted the post. However this much of it is relevant to the post above:

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In a deleted post dated December 12, 2020 Fieldhouse Flyer wrote:
5. EXPLANATORY NOTE CONCERNING THE NET RANKINGS 2020-21

The first iteration of the Net Rankings 2018-19 were published on November 26, 2018, and the first iteration of the Net Rankings 2019-20 were published on December 16, 2019. The NCAA has not yet informed us of the date that the first iteration of the Net Rankings 2020-21 will be released, and they may not have decided themselves, due to the extraordinary number of college basketball games that have already been cancelled due to the virus. The NCAA has already learned that the fewer the games played when the first iteration is published, the greater the anomalies in the NET Rankings (and the greater the bad publicity attached thereto).

However, the four Net Rankings 2020-21 webpages I checked are already up and running, and awaiting the first iteration of the Net Rankings 2020-21 to be published.

1. On Warren Nolan’s Team NET Rankings 2020-21 webpage, each team is listed in the same order as his 2019-20 webpage, but with the current won-loss records for each team for the 2020-21 season, which are updated daily.

2. On Warren Nolan’s [b]Conference NET Rankings 2020-21 webpage, each conference is listed in the same order as his 2019-20 webpage, but with the current won-loss records for each conference for the 2020-21 season, which are updated daily.[/b]

3. The NCAA’s official NET Rankings webpage still shows the final NET Rankings and won-loss records for the 2019-20 season, which presumably will be deleted and replaced with current data for the 2020-21 season as soon as the NCAA’s first iteration of the 2020-21 season is published.

4. On CBS Sports’ NET Rankings 2020-21 webpage, each team is listed in the order of their final 2019-20 rankings, along with their final 2019-20 won-loss records. The ‘Next Game’ column on the CBS Sports webpage shows the current next game for the 2020-21 season, which is updated after each team plays their ‘next game’.
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6. WARREN NOLAN’S NET RANKINGS

Final Team NET Rankings 2018-19 – Warren Nolan

Final Conference NET Rankings 2018-19 – Warren Nolan
Conference • Rank • NC Rec • NC WP

Big 12 • 1 • 100 – 30 • 0.7692
Big Ten • 2 • 120 – 32 • 0.7895
SEC • 3 • 128 – 49 • 0.7232
Big East • 4 • 94 - 32 • 0.7460
ACC • 5 • 149 – 41 • 0.7842
American Athletic • 6 • 107 - 43 • 0.7133
Pac-12 • 7 • 92 - 58 • 0.6133
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Final Team NET Rankings 2019-20 – Warren Nolan

Final Conference NET Rankings 2019-20 – Warren Nolan
Conference • Rank • NC Rec • NC WP

Big East • 1 • 101 - 25 • 0.8016

Big Ten • 2 • 111 – 39 • 0.7400
Big 12 • 3 • 94 – 33 • 0.7402
Pac-12 • 4 • 113 – 40 • 0.7386
SEC • 5 • 125 - 55 • 0.6944
ACC • 6 • 119 – 41 • 0.7438
American Athletic • 7 • 105 - 47 • 0.6908
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Team NET Rankings 2020-21 – Warren Nolan

Conference NET Rankings 2020-21 – Warren Nolan

I suspect that the very large number of cancelled games, and the unevenness of cancelled games among teams in a given conference, is causing havoc with the results of the new but secret NET Rankings formula. Kentucky and other teams will be lobbying the NCAA to abolish the NET Rankings for the 2020-21 season altogether, and ‘just give the at-large invitations to the teams who are usually in the NCAA Tournament’ and sentiments to that effect. It goes without saying that teams outside the Power 6 conferences should not be able to steal bids or otherwise benefit from the virus-related game cancellations.

Big East Conference – Expanded Basketball Standings 2020-21 – ESPN
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Re: 2021 Rankings

Postby Django » Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:40 am

:oops: well that’s a huge oops
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