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[Hall2012]

I've spent plenty of time St. Louis. I wouldn't say it has its own style of bbq (St. Louis ribs are just a cut, I guess pork steaks are pretty St. Louis specific though), but they have plenty of good joints that usually offer up KC or Memphis style food. Haven't been to Bogarts (agree Mission Taco is excellent) but I've had nothing but great experiences with Pappy's. No need to wait an hour and a half, the move is place a to go order and walk next door to Center Ice Brewery. It's by no means the best brewery in St. Louis, but you can sit down and have beer while someone from Pappy's delivers your food before you'd even be seated at their place. Center Ice doesn't serve food so they' have no problem with people ordering in. Southern Fried Chicken, which shares a building with Pappy's, is also worth trying. For a lesser known bbq joint, I'd also recommend The Shaved Duck.

Overall, while it doesn't have the bustling downtown of other majors cities, my experiences seem to have been the polar opposite of yours. I think it has very good food (though the pizza sucks), plenty of excellent breweries (of which you did name, IMO, the top 2), and I haven't felt a shortage of things to do. Forest Park is beautiful (and enormous), the zoo is both free and one of the highest rated in the coutry, there's nice trails all over the region, I could be wrong but I think a lot of the museums are free too. I've been to Cardinals, Blues and SLU basketball (vs Seton Hall) games and have had a blast at all of them. The biggest downside to me (other than the pizza) is that it's very spread out so it's inconvenient to get around without a car.

So I don't really know where you bad experiences came from, I just thought you seemed pretty eager to crap on what I'd say is a solid city (metro area).

How old is that brewery? Going to a brewery to wait for food seems like something I would normally do, either it wasn't on my apps or I'm an idiot and wouldn't be as salty about waiting in a parking lot for ages. I'll give it a go and do that move next time I inevitably end up down there.

At least we can agree St Louis style pizza is an abomination and Mission Taco was great.

Admittedly I went to FP on a really crappy weather day and have not returned in my other visits which were more bar/brewery/food/sport focused.

I do agree about the sprawl issue, and urban sprawl is one of biggest gripes with more modern cities (PHX, LA, Houston) so that adds to why I don't like it.

In the end it's definitely coming off as I genuinely hate the city because it's a message board and I wanted to make a rant, I don't think highly of it but I don't "hate it" like I do some other cities. But the rant started with me saying it's not like the other major cities in the BE and I do stand by that.

The brewery's relatively new, maybe or 4 or 5 years old. It's a small, hockey themed brewery. Not bad but not particularly memorable either IMO. It works for waiting for Pappy's though. You seem like a beer enthusiast, I assume you've done at least one of the AB tours? Even if you're not a fan of their flagship products, it's an impressive brewery to tour.

[MUBoxer]

I've spent plenty of time St. Louis. I wouldn't say it has its own style of bbq (St. Louis ribs are just a cut, I guess pork steaks are pretty St. Louis specific though), but they have plenty of good joints that usually offer up KC or Memphis style food. Haven't been to Bogarts (agree Mission Taco is excellent) but I've had nothing but great experiences with Pappy's. No need to wait an hour and a half, the move is place a to go order and walk next door to Center Ice Brewery. It's by no means the best brewery in St. Louis, but you can sit down and have beer while someone from Pappy's delivers your food before you'd even be seated at their place. Center Ice doesn't serve food so they' have no problem with people ordering in. Southern Fried Chicken, which shares a building with Pappy's, is also worth trying. For a lesser known bbq joint, I'd also recommend The Shaved Duck.

Overall, while it doesn't have the bustling downtown of other majors cities, my experiences seem to have been the polar opposite of yours. I think it has very good food (though the pizza sucks), plenty of excellent breweries (of which you did name, IMO, the top 2), and I haven't felt a shortage of things to do. Forest Park is beautiful (and enormous), the zoo is both free and one of the highest rated in the coutry, there's nice trails all over the region, I could be wrong but I think a lot of the museums are free too. I've been to Cardinals, Blues and SLU basketball (vs Seton Hall) games and have had a blast at all of them. The biggest downside to me (other than the pizza) is that it's very spread out so it's inconvenient to get around without a car.

So I don't really know where you bad experiences came from, I just thought you seemed pretty eager to crap on what I'd say is a solid city (metro area).

How old is that brewery? Going to a brewery to wait for food seems like something I would normally do, either it wasn't on my apps or I'm an idiot and wouldn't be as salty about waiting in a parking lot for ages. I'll give it a go and do that move next time I inevitably end up down there.

At least we can agree St Louis style pizza is an abomination and Mission Taco was great.

Admittedly I went to FP on a really crappy weather day and have not returned in my other visits which were more bar/brewery/food/sport focused.

I do agree about the sprawl issue, and urban sprawl is one of biggest gripes with more modern cities (PHX, LA, Houston) so that adds to why I don't like it.

In the end it's definitely coming off as I genuinely hate the city because it's a message board and I wanted to make a rant, I don't think highly of it but I don't "hate it" like I do some other cities. But the rant started with me saying it's not like the other major cities in the BE and I do stand by that.

The brewery's relatively new, maybe or 4 or 5 years old. It's a small, hockey themed brewery. Not bad but not particularly memorable either IMO. It works for waiting for Pappy's though. You seem like a beer enthusiast, I assume you've done at least one of the AB tours? Even if you're not a fan of their flagship products, it's an impressive brewery to tour.

I call myself a beer enthusiast my fiancé would call me a wasting our honeymoon money on imperial stouts and aged sours

Yeah did the AB tour in 2013 when I thought I was into beer because I wasn't drinking Keystone or Busch anymore. It was cool, very similar to the Miller tour in that they seem to have kept a lot of the history there, driving up I thought it was going to be more like the Guinness tour which is a major tourist trap.

[Hall2012]

How old is that brewery? Going to a brewery to wait for food seems like something I would normally do, either it wasn't on my apps or I'm an idiot and wouldn't be as salty about waiting in a parking lot for ages. I'll give it a go and do that move next time I inevitably end up down there.

At least we can agree St Louis style pizza is an abomination and Mission Taco was great.

Admittedly I went to FP on a really crappy weather day and have not returned in my other visits which were more bar/brewery/food/sport focused.

I do agree about the sprawl issue, and urban sprawl is one of biggest gripes with more modern cities (PHX, LA, Houston) so that adds to why I don't like it.

In the end it's definitely coming off as I genuinely hate the city because it's a message board and I wanted to make a rant, I don't think highly of it but I don't "hate it" like I do some other cities. But the rant started with me saying it's not like the other major cities in the BE and I do stand by that.

The brewery's relatively new, maybe or 4 or 5 years old. It's a small, hockey themed brewery. Not bad but not particularly memorable either IMO. It works for waiting for Pappy's though. You seem like a beer enthusiast, I assume you've done at least one of the AB tours? Even if you're not a fan of their flagship products, it's an impressive brewery to tour.

I call myself a beer enthusiast my fiancé would call me a wasting our honeymoon money on imperial stouts and aged sours

Yeah did the AB tour in 2013 when I thought I was into beer because I wasn't drinking Keystone or Busch anymore. It was cool, very similar to the Miller tour in that they seem to have kept a lot of the history there, driving up I thought it was going to be more like the Guinness tour which is a major tourist trap.

Yeah, it's a good tour - just another something to do. Have you been to Alpha Brewing? Sounds like they'd match your style.

[MUBoxer]

Yeah, it's a good tour - just another something to do. Have you been to Alpha Brewing? Sounds like they'd match your style.

Nah, I did Side Project (like 8hrs there with a batch of anti acids), Perennial, 2nd Shift, Urban Chestnut, Modern, and Heavy Rift according to my app. And AB obviously.

[XUFan09]

I call myself a beer enthusiast my fiancé would call me a wasting our honeymoon money on imperial stouts and aged sours

Yeah did the AB tour in 2013 when I thought I was into beer because I wasn't drinking Keystone or Busch anymore. It was cool, very similar to the Miller tour in that they seem to have kept a lot of the history there, driving up I thought it was going to be more like the Guinness tour which is a major tourist trap.

Oh man, the Guinness tour is such a tourist trap. It has some neat things going on, but they cram so many people in there that it's claustrophobic. And I'm talking pre-pandemic times, it was claustrophobic. I think it would be moreso now. Different alcohol but same city, the Jameson tour is awesome.

[Hall2012]

Yeah, it's a good tour - just another something to do. Have you been to Alpha Brewing? Sounds like they'd match your style.

Nah, I did Side Project (like 8hrs there with a batch of anti acids), Perennial, 2nd Shift, Urban Chestnut, Modern, and Heavy Rift according to my app. And AB obviously.

Some excellent ones in there for sure. Perennial had me crushing styles I never thought I'd liked before (saisons in particular) and I loved Urban Chestnut as a fan of german styles. I'd definitely recommend Alpha if you're into sours. It seems to be the majority of what they do.

[marquette]

I call myself a beer enthusiast my fiancé would call me a wasting our honeymoon money on imperial stouts and aged sours

Yeah did the AB tour in 2013 when I thought I was into beer because I wasn't drinking Keystone or Busch anymore. It was cool, very similar to the Miller tour in that they seem to have kept a lot of the history there, driving up I thought it was going to be more like the Guinness tour which is a major tourist trap.

Oh man, the Guinness tour is such a tourist trap. It has some neat things going on, but they cram so many people in there that it's claustrophobic. And I'm talking pre-pandemic times. Different alcohol but same city, the Jameson tour is awesome.

Agree and agree. On the Jameson tour I might have broken down and bought one of the special bottles they only have on-site.

[XUFan09]

I call myself a beer enthusiast my fiancé would call me a wasting our honeymoon money on imperial stouts and aged sours

Yeah did the AB tour in 2013 when I thought I was into beer because I wasn't drinking Keystone or Busch anymore. It was cool, very similar to the Miller tour in that they seem to have kept a lot of the history there, driving up I thought it was going to be more like the Guinness tour which is a major tourist trap.

Oh man, the Guinness tour is such a tourist trap. It has some neat things going on, but they cram so many people in there that it's claustrophobic. And I'm talking pre-pandemic times. Different alcohol but same city, the Jameson tour is awesome.

Agree and agree. On the Jameson tour I might have broken down and bought one of the special bottles they only have on-site.

I was sorely tempted. My hangup was that I did not want to deal with transporting it back when I had gone to Ireland with a full carryon and no checked luggage lol

[MUBoxer]

Oh man, the Guinness tour is such a tourist trap. It has some neat things going on, but they cram so many people in there that it's claustrophobic. And I'm talking pre-pandemic times, it was claustrophobic. I think it would be moreso now. Different alcohol but same city, the Jameson tour is awesome.

I'm way too much of a snob about whiskey/whisky to enjoy it sadly (seriously I have a room I built dedicated to scotch whisky, Irish whiskey, Japanese whiskey, and barrel aged stouts) I did the Midleton Distillery tour with my cousins when I was 19 and that was fun and cool they kept the original buildings together, but now days the only stuff from Irish Distillers Group I'd be interested in is Redbreast or Midleton Rare.

Some excellent ones in there for sure. Perennial had me crushing styles I never thought I'd liked before (saisons in particular) and I loved Urban Chestnut as a fan of german styles. I'd definitely recommend Alpha if you're into sours. It seems to be the majority of what they do.

Thanks I'll be sure to check it out after reading my view on the Pappy's wait! If you're ever in Chicago or Milwaukee looking for a brewery recommendation let me know!

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Would anyone be offended if I chopped out the past few pages of posts and created a separate thread with them? I actually enjoy the conversation, but every time that I see the highlighted thread I think there's news and there's not.