2020-2021 Season non-BE games

[kayako]

Lasalle just won at Dayton.

LaSalle's cool in my book, but boy have they struggled in the A10. When Ashley took that job 2 years ago, I wondered if that wasn't a mistake. It's a tough place to win.

[Omaha1]

From CBS:

9. Richmond is doing itself and the A-10 no favors
Not a good home loss for the Spiders, dropping a 69-66 decision to St. Bonaventure, which has only managed three games through the first six-plus weeks of the season. Richmond started 4-0 but it's now 7-3 with two of its last three outcomes being defeats, the other coming against Hofstra. The Atlantic 10 will be a multi-bid league this season, but if Richmond's to be an at-large team it can't take one more bad home loss. Look at the Spiders' list of victims so far and not one team is at-large worthy, the best teams being Kentucky and Loyola Chicago.

[Jet915]

From CBS:

9. Richmond is doing itself and the A-10 no favors
Not a good home loss for the Spiders, dropping a 69-66 decision to St. Bonaventure, which has only managed three games through the first six-plus weeks of the season. Richmond started 4-0 but it's now 7-3 with two of its last three outcomes being defeats, the other coming against Hofstra. The Atlantic 10 will be a multi-bid league this season, but if Richmond's to be an at-large team it can't take one more bad home loss. Look at the Spiders' list of victims so far and not one team is at-large worthy, the best teams being Kentucky and Loyola Chicago.

Yeah, A-10, AAC and MWC look like 2 bid leagues max. WCC maybe 3.

[Hall2012]

Wow. Dayton loses to Fordham, who was previously 0-2 with a 30.5 average margin of defeat... against La Salle and George Washington.

[Omaha1]

Yep. From Goodman:
Worst Loss: Dayton to Fordham, 55-54

[Xuperman]

Wow. Dayton loses to Fordham, who was previously 0-2 with a 30.5 average margin of defeat... against La Salle and George Washington.

That is some SERIOUS Fieldhouse Flyer repellent....we may never hear from him again.

[Xudash]

Wow. Dayton loses to Fordham, who was previously 0-2 with a 30.5 average margin of defeat... against La Salle and George Washington.

That is some SERIOUS Fieldhouse Flyer repellent....we may never hear from him again.

Muddy must have jumped into that crappy little river that floods UDump Arena every now and then.

All the earlier A-10 teams like V-Tech leave. Temple leaves. Xavier and Butler exit stage right. VD is left with a diminishing VCU, Rhody and Davidson as their best league competition (I'm beginning to think that SLU is a BE team in waiting) and, more than ever, crown themselves pre-season champions year in and year out, and then they do this - they lose to LossSalle AND Fordham, and in the same season!

Granted, it's harder to recruit to a mid-major conference like the A-10, but you would think that they would find a way to be at the top of that diluted group most of the time.

VD being VD, I guess. Never say never, but, in their case, finding sustainable success is something they're very bad at, and the success they've had doesn't amount to much anyway.

[UD Flyer Fanatic]

Wishing my friends in the BE a very Happy New Year. Xudash- you make some fair observations about us but I'd remind you that writing our obit is a bit premature. Like many programs this year, the pandemic has been very disruptive, including having virtually our entire pre-conference season eliminated, key injuries to 2 starters thus losing any oppty to mesh our new group. When you have the turnover we've had from Obi and others, that's easy to underestimate.

You'll be delighted to know we're fine and the future is very bright:

1. Rivals 2021 national ranking of our incoming recruiting class is #16 https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2021 ... Basketball
2. UD MBB program financial worth ranked 18th in the nation (with a value of $100,010,000. https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-much-i ... yURL_share
3. UD Arena's $76MM renovation is completed. I've been there recently - have you? https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news ... ct-in.html

Be safe everyone.

[gtmoBlue]

We've had 17 games either postponed or cancelled (thru 13 Jan games-if they hold up) thus far.
Covid is gaining steam, so we have not seen the end yet.

Folks over at Bluejayunderground were batting around a few numbers. Will we have to compare
W/L records, or go by Winning Pct., or some other formulaic methods to determine a champion?

Will be interesting to see what the conf. comes up with in this regard and for seeding the BET if
we have a tourney.

[Xudash]

Wishing my friends in the BE a very Happy New Year. Xudash- you make some fair observations about us but I'd remind you that writing our obit is a bit premature. Like many programs this year, the pandemic has been very disruptive, including having virtually our entire pre-conference season eliminated, key injuries to 2 starters thus losing any oppty to mesh our new group. When you have the turnover we've had from Obi and others, that's easy to underestimate.

You'll be delighted to know we're fine and the future is very bright:

1. Rivals 2021 national ranking of our incoming recruiting class is #16 https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2021 ... Basketball
2. UD MBB program financial worth ranked 18th in the nation (with a value of $100,010,000. https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-much-i ... yURL_share
3. UD Arena's $76MM renovation is completed. I've been there recently - have you? https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news ... ct-in.html

Be safe everyone.

Happy New Year UDFF.

1. It’s always good to have highly rated recruiting classes. That is a key indication of the health of a basketball program. As I am sure you know, the various sites differ in their outcomes with these ratings: you cited rivals that peg VD at #16, while 247Sports pegs you at #26. At the end of the day, it is a matter of getting recruits signed up and on campus and then getting them to find their place, contributing to the program on the court. Nonetheless, those are good recruiting rankings for a mid-major like Dayton.

2. You may want to reconsider citing the WSJ financial rankings. Dayton is way too dependent upon home attendance results. After all, the Indiana professor attempted to model up his ratings based upon a de facto net cash flow look, for the most part. He had to have gotten a little subjective with his cash-flow adjustments, risk assessments and growth projections. A Dayton location with a mid-major conference affiliation and over reliance on gate receipts, due to not having strong media revenue streams is not a good place to be. Look at it this way: most college basketball fans believe, as an example, that Villanova is much more valuable as a basketball program than VD’s program, regardless of what the respective income statements reflect. Nova’s prospects are greater, it’s brand is obviously much stronger, and this conversation would have been over immediately if Villanova played all of its games in the Wachovia Center. Every existing BE team is better positioned than VD when it comes to brand and potential. If and when they publish this rating after this year, Dayton will fall off the face of the earth, whereas BE teams will still be collecting their media revenue and more significant NCAAT unit monies.

3. You are way too close to your program to understand this, but UD Arena truly is nothing special. A building that was built in 1969 is going to have issues when it comes to renovating it. Some would argue that you put lipstick on a pig. You guys take great pride in it. Good for you. It does not hold a candle to the Cintas Center. You asked if I’ve been there recently. Why would I? I have the Cintas Center and BE basketball to enjoy.

I noticed on the ticker that it took you an OT to beat Davidson. Davidson! That following losses to LaSalle and Fordham. Obi is gone and your fluke season is behind you. Your margin for error is razor thin at this point.

You like to cite UD’s basketball resources and potential. UD is supposed to own the A-10 now that Xavier is gone. You continue to fail at that. I guess we could suggest that UD’s ROI is not very good.