Bracketology Updates - 2021-22

[stever20]

That loss to ASU lowered the Jay's net down back into the 70's. Ouch hopefully the bracketologists don't punish the Jay's but seeing as how they always underrate the conference, not good.

Lol what? The Selection Committee never has underrated the conference. Who cares what bracketologists in December think? They're still using projections at the moment, too. Give it another month and none of them will be undervaluing the conference, because it's their job to get them right by Selection Sunday and we've always been highly respected by the Selection Committee.

It was a bad loss, but Jays were #82 4 days ago. Now they're #77 with a few good wins. They're probably not a Tournament team, but very few predicted they'd be pre-season. They're still ahead of schedule, along with the rest of the conference overall relative to our pre-season expectations.

outside of BYU, really what good wins for them do you see? Right now their 2nd best win by NET is vs Brown at 149. And I don't see any wins that should age really well either. McDermott scheduled IMO like he had a pretty young team. Nothing wrong with that at all.

[Omaha1]

That loss to ASU lowered the Jay's net down back into the 70's. Ouch hopefully the bracketologists don't punish the Jay's but seeing as how they always underrate the conference, not good.

Lol what? The Selection Committee never has underrated the conference. Who cares what bracketologists in December think? They're still using projections at the moment, too. Give it another month and none of them will be undervaluing the conference, because it's their job to get them right by Selection Sunday and we've always been highly respected by the Selection Committee.

It was a bad loss, but Jays were #82 4 days ago. Now they're #77 with a few good wins. They're probably not a Tournament team, but very few predicted they'd be pre-season. They're still ahead of schedule, along with the rest of the conference overall relative to our pre-season expectations.

outside of BYU, really what good wins for them do you see? Right now their 2nd best win by NET is vs Brown at 149. And I don't see any wins that should age really well either. McDermott scheduled IMO like he had a pretty young team. Nothing wrong with that at all.

I think most CU realize this isn’t a tourney team. Now something crazy could happen and they get hot or gel and make things interesting during conference play, but most of us started the season knowing this was a work in process and nothing has changed my mind.

[stever20]

Right.

To me what the OOC did with the win over BYU is make it where if they do get hot, they can make the tourney. The BYU win really helped that out a LOT. They enter conference play at 8-3 with a NET of 81. SOS is at a solid 161. That's not too bad at all.

To preseason expectations they probably get a A- or B+. Maybe expected 1 more win out of the 3 games with Iowa St, BYU, and Arizona St but that would just about be it.

[Bogg]

Creighton doesn't really strike me as a tournament team - the ASU loss was an unfortunate drop of a game they should have had, but a team that young seemed likely to eventually drop some they shouldn't have. Nova/UConn/Hall/X/Providence are the five that should make the tournament, and honestly DePaul could put themselves in good shape heading into conference play if they win this weekend. I don't know what to make of St Johns, other than that they look like a bubble team on the surface but haven't done anything to really help themselves yet.

[stever20]

Creighton doesn't really strike me as a tournament team - the ASU loss was an unfortunate drop of a game they should have had, but a team that young seemed likely to eventually drop some they shouldn't have. Nova/UConn/Hall/X/Providence are the five that should make the tournament, and honestly DePaul could put themselves in good shape heading into conference play if they win this weekend. I don't know what to make of St Johns, other than that they look like a bubble team on the surface but haven't done anything to really help themselves yet.

I agree with you on the 5.

The team outside the 5 that has themselves positioned pretty well IMO is Marquette. Has between 1-3 possible Q1 wins in Illinois(right now Q1 win, Illinois ranked 30), WVU(right now Q2 win, WVU ranked 56), and Kansas St(right now Q2 win, KSU ranked 92). 8-3 overall record. Good SOS(#86). They need to get thru the 1st 3 games of conference play- @ Xavier, UConn, and @ St John's- with at least 1 win.

[Hall2012]

CU's that team that has it's moments but lacks consistency. Probably a year away from being a real contender, but super dangerous with the potential to get ungodly hot from 3 at any point and that'll get them a few upsets. I'm sure they'll hit about 95% against us, it feels like they always do.

[Bogg]

Creighton doesn't really strike me as a tournament team - the ASU loss was an unfortunate drop of a game they should have had, but a team that young seemed likely to eventually drop some they shouldn't have. Nova/UConn/Hall/X/Providence are the five that should make the tournament, and honestly DePaul could put themselves in good shape heading into conference play if they win this weekend. I don't know what to make of St Johns, other than that they look like a bubble team on the surface but haven't done anything to really help themselves yet.

I agree with you on the 5.

The team outside the 5 that has themselves positioned pretty well IMO is Marquette. Has between 1-3 possible Q1 wins in Illinois(right now Q1 win, Illinois ranked 30), WVU(right now Q2 win, WVU ranked 56), and Kansas St(right now Q2 win, KSU ranked 92). 8-3 overall record. Good SOS(#86). They need to get thru the 1st 3 games of conference play- @ Xavier, UConn, and @ St John's- with at least 1 win.

Yea, I blanked and left Marquette out for some reason. Them, DePaul(!), and St Johns are the three that collectively could get the league a sixth bid. Technically Creighton was/is in position to be in that group as well, but I just don't think a group that young avoids stumbling in a few key games along the way.

[adoraz]

That loss to ASU lowered the Jay's net down back into the 70's. Ouch hopefully the bracketologists don't punish the Jay's but seeing as how they always underrate the conference, not good.

Lol what? The Selection Committee never has underrated the conference. Who cares what bracketologists in December think? They're still using projections at the moment, too. Give it another month and none of them will be undervaluing the conference, because it's their job to get them right by Selection Sunday and we've always been highly respected by the Selection Committee.

It was a bad loss, but Jays were #82 4 days ago. Now they're #77 with a few good wins. They're probably not a Tournament team, but very few predicted they'd be pre-season. They're still ahead of schedule, along with the rest of the conference overall relative to our pre-season expectations.

outside of BYU, really what good wins for them do you see? Right now their 2nd best win by NET is vs Brown at 149. And I don't see any wins that should age really well either. McDermott scheduled IMO like he had a pretty young team. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Was just going off of memory, thought maybe the Nebraska win (on the road) or one of the decent mid-majors they beat were good, but I guess not. Those teams don't have as strong NETs as I expected.

I only responded to their comment though to point out 1. the Big East has never been treated unfairly when it comes to March 2. Creighton didn't have high expectations and the bad loss is offset by the good win from just a few days ago (one that they weren't expected to win anyway, so it evens out). Don't get me wrong, it would've been great if Creighton won that game, but his comment was simply false.

[stever20]

I think there's been times where the league hasn't gotten a total good shake from the committee. Mostly though in terms of seeding and not really getting into the tourney though.

I think right now the bracketology from folks is pretty fair in general. Maybe a few that have a spot or 2 low. But overall, fair.

[adoraz]

I think there's been times where the league hasn't gotten a total good shake from the committee. Mostly though in terms of seeding and not really getting into the tourney though.

I think right now the bracketology from folks is pretty fair in general. Maybe a few that have a spot or 2 low. But overall, fair.

I'm pretty sure there has never been a year when the Committee undervalued or snubbed the Big East relative to the cumulative consensus on Bracket Matrix. If it happened then point it out (and preferably I'd like to see examples from multiple years since one year could just be a coincidence). A team or two by a seed line or two? Sure, that's bound to happen from time to time since no bracketologist ever gets everything right. What's much bigger is the bubble, and as a St. Johns fan we were the last team in a few years ago with a NET in the 70s (the worst ever at-large I believe for NET/RPI). The poster was pointing towards a conspiracy which has zero evidence until proven otherwise.